Talk:21st Century (The Second Renaissance)

With the PATRIOT act etc, why would individual liberty not be discarded in favour of fighting crime? Buk5 10:47, 24 January 2009 (UTC) Who removed the 2025 page and replaced it with this distopian crap?--YNot1989 20:56, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that. But i did not move the pages. That Was Sisko (RyanVG sockpuppet?).

I was on a conspiracy binge when i added the dystopian section. Buk5 08:48, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I only moved the pages because I seriously doubted that we would undergo a "second renaissance" within the next two decades. I realise that some people may consider this to be P.O.V. pushing. I sincerely apologise if I offended anyone, and I promise that I will not do this again. As for the sockpuppetry allegations, I only accused WAC01 of being a sockpuppet of RyanVG because s/he started adding that crap about matriarchy to Ryan's --Captain Benjamin L. Sisko 00:40, 25 April 2009 (UTC).

Crime & Punishment
What model of Criminal Justice will 2075 earth follow?

Sorry for the bleak orwellian outlook though. Buk5 19:17, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

problems
Why on earth would the UN be able of magically solving problems? Watch, or read, Shake Hands with The Devil, by Romeo Dallaire
 * The UN doesn't magically solve problems, they simply act as the body through which coalitions are formed in the future.

What about Oil for Food
 * What about it?

Or Srebrenica

Sellng Arms in the Congo?

And what next? Offering sacrifices to George Carlin?
 * I think that was an allusion to George Carlin's recognition by many to be a modern Mark Twain
 * Em let us see. How can a man who profaned thousands of times on stage. I hardly doubt that schools would consider him as high brow as Mark Twain, Seamus Heaney or Dossetovsky.
 * Buk5, most of Generation Y these days say Fuck as if its hello. By 2075, do you really believe that what we consider profanity today will be considered bad at all? Don't forget it was considered foul language to say the WC only 60 years ago.

Even better, Watch Alex Jones' Endgame as well as terrorstorm

One World Government will always lead to tyranny. Buk5 20:45, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * There is no one world government. The nations of the world are simply not trying to kill each other anymore
 * Oh yeah? Everything under control of the UN. Next stop, reducing humanity's population to 1/2 billion (Georgia Guidestones).
 * This TL is directed towards a much freer society. I doubt they would even bother to reduce population numbers when interstellar travel has been achieved.
 * Oh yeah, the UN did a Great Job. Talk to the Bosniaks and the Tutsis.

I also believe Saddam Hussein would day the same. after all, he profited from the Sanctions. Buk5 21:45, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * WTF?

so why did you not like my dystopian work? Orwell always said "if you want a vision of the future, picture a boot stamping on a human face - forever". Buk5 06:27, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

treason
I don't think this scenario is going to work. Every military of every soverign nation is under the UN control. I'm pretty sure signing that treaty of surrender is an act of treason in quite a few nations.

If the UN becomes totalitarian like in Left Behind, there'd be no stopping it. Of course, i am not a fan of the left behind series or do i think it's a plausible future, i am just saying that surrendering your military to the UN is a bad idea.

The Bill Cooper Demgoraphic will not allow it, and belive me, they are rising. Buk5 09:34, 22 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Every nation has their own military, its just that the UN Multinational Force is a more formal version of a coalition of militaries similar to that of the first gulf war.


 * So, a much bigger UN. Again, i return to the Bill Cooper Demographic, and apparently, they are getting bigger and bigger.

Also, 1/4 of Americans believe 9/11 was an inside job. Its going to be a big task to make them accept a bigger UN. Buk5 08:35, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

New Species
What?! How could there be new, intelligent species evolved in 60 years?! Also, isn't this sort of Utopian? Do we reallt think communism and wars and stuff can be abolished in but 60 years? LurkerLordB 00:48, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

Bush - Beating Buchanan?!
How can Bush be considered worse than him? At least the nation was not in civil war in 2008! Also, Why would Reagan be blamed more than the first Bush for the Recession? Finally, on what grounds do you call Thatcher a facist? She was no dictator. Seems like blatant liberal bias, except than LBJ, a liberal, is considered on of the worst when he ended segregation! LurkerLordB 00:54, January 29, 2010 (UTC)

LOL, the blatant conservative bias is much worse in ATLs and Futures alike. —Preceding signed comment added by TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 14:42, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

How could Bush be last place? It wasn't his fault of the recession, it was Congress's fault. The Congress from 2006-2010, with the Democrats having a majority in both the House and Senate. And why is Reagan second to last? He recovered the country when the Democrats had the House, and the Senate was switching back and forth. Reagan shouldn't be blamed at all. Agovinda (talk) 08:04, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

Democratic Party
Why would you do away with the Center of Left-Wing American Politcs?, they would only be MORE succesul in a more Proggresive World,Alexanders 02:36, April 29, 2011 (UTC)