Talk:2012 US Presidential Election (The Second Renaissance)

I cant see Palin winning the Republican Nomination. I also cannot see Obama picking Clinton for VP. I imagine that the 2012 race will be between Obama/Biden and Romney/DeMint, and will result in Romney being elected by a small margin.

Romney has won the Republican straw pole for the last 3 years at CPAC, he has never received the nomination. Palin was made the McCain VP because the GOP believed that McCain could not win, so they pick Palin to be their superstar in 2012. She is likely going to recieve the nominatiothis is the most retarded page on the internet...in fact it is someones wet dream of some liberal eutopia....eehhhhhhhhhgggg wrong asnwer...., barring some kind of internal shift in power to the moderates, which if the party maintains their current course is quite unlikely. As for Biden staying on for another term as VP, that is very unlikely. Biden is currently 66 years old, he will be 74 in 2017 if he wins the election, making him the oldest president ever, which was one of the biggest arguments against John McCain. Joe Biden is not a front runner for 2016, Hillary will be a much more viable candidate in 8 years. As for who will win the election? The public currently has a better attitude toward the Obama presidency than they did of JFKs. If this trend continues, he will win in 2012, barring some kind of horrific screw up.--YNot1989 23:36, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Many people do not like Palin, so i doubt she would get the nomination. I dont think Obama will win relection because he is constantly screwing up.


 * "He is constantly screwing up." I will admit he has made some mistakes, though I have to say they have never been anything more than minor hick-ups in appointments and carrying out policy, specifically relating to Secretary of Commerce and Health and Human Service along with the actual movement of detainees from Guantanamo. Other than that, his job approval as of May 21st 2009 is 64% according to the Gallup Daily tracking poll; and I cannot see any huge mistakes he has made. Now as for Palin, I am starting to wonder if she'll get the nomination, but I can safely say that if their is no major shift in party leadership to a more moderate position, the Republicans will most likely nominate one of their more conservative members who will alienate too many moderates from the party and assure a victory for the incumbent administration, barring some kind of colossal disaster (aka a new Hurricane Katrina, 9/11, greater economic downturn, or an Iran-Israeli nuclear exchange.)--YNot1989 05:05, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't think Obama would win Arkansas, if Mike was Palin's running mate, considering that's his home state. I also doubt Mississippi, Loisiana and West Virginia going blue. Maybe they'd vote for a more moderate Democratic candidate, but not Obama.
 * Well you must take into consideration that Arkansas was former president Clinton's home state too, so its possible that two running mates with ties to the same state could lead to a tossup or very close race in the state.

I also don't see Obama dropping Biden as his running mate, nor do I think he'd pick Clinton if he did.
 * I would hope he doesn't pick Clinton, but lets be honest here. Biden is not going to run in 2016, and the Democrats are going to want a safe bet after Obama's done. Biden will be 74 in 2016, the Republicans, or if another party emerges to eclipse them, will most likely put forth a younger candidate to be a fresh face for the party. Biden is not electable in 8 years.

Ok, I'm reconsidering the scenario now that Palin has resigned as Governor of Alaska. So any suggestions on who could get the nomination at this point. (Not who you want to, but practically consider who would.)

Did the green party die in between 2009 and 2012? I think they should also be mentioned on the vote count, because they are part of the three largest third parties (libertarian, constitution, green). —Preceding signed comment added by TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 12:22, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I just haven't bothered to insert them.--YNot1989 05:04, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Revisions
I'm going to go for Romney/Pawlenty in 12'. Same states should go to Obama as in the Palin scenario. If you have any suggestions please feel free to give them.--YNot1989 05:04, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

OK Screw it
I'm tearing my hair out over the 2012 Republican Candidates, because for every one they eliminate they pull one out of no where on me. Just recently they started talking about Cheney as a potential candidate, and one GOP strategist even suggested that "Morning Joe" Scarborough would be a viable candidate against Obama. Ok, at this point I wouldn't put anything past the current GOP; so I thought I'd hold a little GOP primary here on future wikia. Simply list your nominees and give me a reason why you think they'd get nominated, why they should win, or why they should be nominated, but if they actually could or would be nominated. If I don't get any responses by November I'm going with Romeny/Pawlenty in 12'.--YNot1989 03:46, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

reality check
Jan 2010.......Wow, it's not possible to be more off base. This scenario put forth here is slightly less believable than the prediction that Obama dies of a cocaine overdose, Biden talks himself into the nut house, Pelosi takes over and is immediately shot...by members of her own party, pres pro-tem dies in horrible paint-ball accident, Hillary takes office and is strangled by Bill in a jealous rage, and finally........ Gates is president and nominates George W. Bush as VP. These scenarios at least have some basis in fact.....well, maybe not the paint ball thing but everything else is in the ballpark.

Any reason why? —Preceding signed comment added by TimeMaster (talk • contribs) 01:46, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Everything I have seen on this website, but ESPECIALLY this article, strikes me as patently absurd wishful thinking. Not only is this unworthy of even the most inept trends forecaster, but strikes me as the rantings of some kool-aid drinking liberal Democrats. Not enough credit is given to Ron Paul's broad bipartisan support (he received a lot more than the libertarian vote in the 2008 primary); the author(s) of this and other entries on the website ignore the massive disapproval rating of Congress and the falling Presidential approval ratings of Obama (disenchanted Democrats??), but also the visceral disgust with DC by average Americans, who are just about ready to launch a 2nd American Revolution just to get the government back under control. You guys need to start paying attention to REAL trends forecasters like Gerald Celente or Peter Schiff. Google "second civil war in America" to get your reality check, and then do your homework on militia groups but NOT from left-wing-extremist groups like ADL or SPLC, and do not categorize racists or supremacy groups in the mix; as they actually hate constitutional militia groups and both do not share the same views/beliefs. If you look at what's being said by those who are expressing utter disgust with the current political system, the American people are increasingly losing confidence in the electoral system, politicians in particular, and with both the Democrat & Republican parties; and when I say disgust, it's more like anger!! I believe the 2011-2016 time period will usher in a new era of danger for American liberty, but if not now then definitely later. The only people running for office that will get the real respect of the American people will increasingly be the Constitutionalists who advocate strict obedience and put principle above politics. ~MinutemanPatriot(.homestead.com) 24.208.196.171 14:49, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Massive Rewrite
Well its been forever since I've touched this TL, and its gathering dust with my "An Independent in 2000" TL. Mostly its been all about Populist America lately, but I'm thinking of doing a huge revision of the Second Renaissance at least up until the Flood. Looking over a lot of my stuff from SR I really have to say that it was a reflection of a time when I had forgotten that I voted for a centrist not a liberal. So I'm taking SR in a different direction, one that I had actually toyed with originally, but chose not to pursue because I believed it would be a little too unbelievable (lol ^^). Still working out the details, and when I get a free moment I'll see what I can get posted.

Oh, and MinutemanPatriot (good god that just oozes Tea Party) don't bother using liberal as an epithet on my pages, you're not insulting anybody. As for responding to your... ravings, all I can say is: Grow the fuck up, and pull that stick out of your ass. YNot1989 21:02, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

I don't see why Romney would ever choose Pawlenty as his VP. Considering it probably seemed an Obama-Clinton ticket coudl easily win, Romney would have to choose someone to help him win, and noting else. The most likely candidate would be Marco Rubio, but if he says no other choices would be Susana Martinex (NM Governor) or Brian Sandoval (NV Governor), since both could have helped him win the latino vote and their home states. A Wikia Contributor 16.58, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

It was perfect the way it was why'd you ruin it. Coolmanvsgeek 03:26, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, some idiot has changed this so that a shit z-grade celeb dike becomes president as a green party candidate. This is ultra unrealistic and the change should be reverted asap

Fix It
The map does not fit with the actual outcome of the election. It needs to be fixed.

Anonymous173.57.37.111 03:21, November 8, 2012 (UTC)